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Richard Hatch

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Director, writer and talented actor Richard Hatch, conveys his views on Battlestar Galactica. We learn more about his new project "The Great War of Magellan" Synopsis - Richard Hatch took the time to conduct a phone interview with me. I found out more about his current projects along with the passion that motivates his work. He spoke on The Great War of Magellan and Battlestar Galactica

Rob: What inspired you to become an actor, because I see a quote here that you never thought of being an actor, something about a boyish looking 40 year old actor, you felt insecure or too shy?

Richard: Now what article was that one?

Rob: I don't know, I found it on IMDB.

Richard: Oh, that must have been something a while back. I think actors are just like musicians for the most part. They find themselves drawn to the creative world for a thousand different reasons. Some people, they just have a passion for art, they want to be part of the art world, they want to be part of the creative world, and they find that that is a world where they are freer to be who they are. Some people feel like they don't fit in to life, they feel like they're a little eccentric or they feel like that they don't want to live their life in the normal construction in a kind of linear, logical way. They want to do something a little different. They finally create a world, the artistic world, they world where they can explore more options and alternate lifestyles. For me, acting came out of basically therapy. I was a very insecure, very terrified child who had gone through a lot of trauma in childhood and needed help. Acting class was a way of working out some of the insecurities and shyness and learning how to communicate effectively. What started out as a process for healing, and a therapeutic kind of modality turned in to a more artistic creative expression for myself. So, basically, acting became a very profound process for me of expressing myself from my heart, for my soul, for my spirit, it became a way for me to tap in more deeply in to what I always call the magic, but to tap more deeply in to the creative flow that actors, singers and performers will tell you is something extraordinary. It's kind of hard to explain to people who've never done it, but when you tap in to that profound place it's almost a spiritual experience. All you know is you want more of it; you want to feel that sense of aliveness. That sense of energy that flows through you, that sense of being connected to the universe that comes from the creative process.

Rob: So you enjoyed the attention you got when you performed?

Richard: it wasn't the attention, it was the spiritual process. It's about what I felt inside.

Rob: So, it was overcoming your nerves, and being able to do something, which seemed positive influence on people?

Richard: Well yeah that's true too, but more than that you tap in to something inside yourself, that makes you feel connected to the world in a larger way.

Rob: You were born in Santa Monica, California, where you also studied classical piano at the age of 8?

Richard: Right.

Rob: Do you think that influenced your acting decision? Did that build up your nerves?

Richard: I had no desire or thought about being an actor at that time, I just happened to love music, and all my grandmothers used to play piano and they used to teach me. They found that I had a talent for it, and a love for it, so my mother began to give me classical lessons, and I, for about a year, studied classical piano. I loved it; I mean it was a very, powerful outlet for me. Again, you know artists have this need to express themselves, they feel something inside themselves and they want to express it, they want to communicate it. That's what music allows you to do, that's what acting allows you to do. Writing allows you to do it- it's whatever creative outlet that you choose.

Rob: You attended a Harbor college in San Pedro, right?

Richard: Yeah I went there for a couple of years, getting a liberal arts degree, because I didn't know what I wanted to do at that time.

Rob: Then you joined Los Angeles repertory company?

Richard: Then after I was in school, I basically, well I've told this story many times, but I met this girl at a beach, who went to Maryland High school, and I started dating her. She lived up in Westwood, and basically, I started meeting all these Hollywood types, actors and actresses, producers, directors, and I met several people who basically said I should go to an acting class. I finally got the courage to go to one and it was the Eric Mores Actors Workshop, and the sign on the door said "No Acting Please".

Rob: Was that New York City?

Richard: No it was in LA., but the sign on the door said "No Acting Please". I thought that was an interesting paradox, and I basically realized that the class was a very method orientated class that helps you to grow as a human being, as well as an artist. So I found that it was a tremendous opportunity for me to basically, overcome my inhibitions, and insecurities and ultimately that acting class led to auditioning for plays and theatre and getting in to the Group Repertory Theatre.

Rob: Was one of the plays you performed in called "Son of Walt Whitman"?

Richard: I did so many different things; I mean yeah I did millions of themes and plays.

Rob: You directed some of them, right?

Richard: I wasn't directing at that time.

Rob: Oh, right.

Richard: I directed later, but I really enjoyed doing scenes, I enjoyed doing theatre plays. I started doing community theatre, then I did equity waver theatre, and then I went off to New York with an acting repertory company. That's when I lived in an empty ballet studio, in New York City, in Hell's Kitchen, and basically we did one act plays, poetry reading, and Shakespeare.

Rob: That's interesting.

Richard: That's the place where six months after the acting company I went to New York with, left for Europe, I stayed in New York for another six months, and got a starring role in "All My Children", with Erika Kane.

Rob: You were cast as the original Phillip Brent, wasn't it?

Richard: Yeah.

Rob: How did you find the role, in the series?

Richard: It was great, I mean it was really getting a chance to go back and relive my childhood. I mean it was like I was playing a 15 / 16 year old, I was basically 22 and it was like reliving my life, but only in a weird way it gave me a chance to express a lot of repressed emotions that I had in my childhood that I never got a chance to express. Phillip Brent was like the John boy of daytime television.

Rob: Well that's good.

Richard: John Boy being a famous character from "The Walton's".

Rob: Didn't you have a cameo in "The Walton's"?

Richard: No. No I did many, many guest starring roles on "The Walton's". That was a famous show with Richard Thomas, a very famous television series here in the States.

Rob: You were also in "Hawaii 5-0" for a small period of time, weren't you?

Richard: I did multiple "Hawaii 5-0 " guest starring roles. I guest starred on that show many times. I guest starred on many shows. Hundreds of guest star roles.

Rob: Which one was the most fun to do?

Richard: Well "Hawaii 5 0" for an actor was incredible, because when you're not famous and you don't have any money, they put you on a plane, take you to Hawaii, put you up in a nice hotel, and you get to live the life for a week while they film the episode. Jack ward was incredible to work with.

Rob: Do you think "Hawaii 5 0" has the potential, like "Starsky and Hutch", to be made in to a movie?

Richard: Yeah, "Hawaii 5 0" could be made in to a movie.

Rob: I mean if it did, would you ever consider making a guest appearance on it again?

Richard: Well yeah but there's a difference if its made in to a movie, I mean the stars of the show, would be making the movie, not the Guest Stars. Guest Stars are people who come and guest on one episode of the show. It was a great show to do though. Like you say, I did "Kung Fu", I did "Love Boat".

Rob: Yeah, "Kung Fu", you co-starred alongside David Carradine for a while.

Richard: I just did one of the episodes, that's all.

Rob: What was he like to work with, for that episode?

Richard: Very nice guy, very mellow, and the truth of it, I think he was always stoned! You know, you would go by his trailer and you could smell the pot.

Rob: (Laughs) Yeah!

Richard: He was always kind of stoned, always in this very mellow place.

Rob: Ok, so what do you think was the most challenging role you ever had to do, what kind of research did you do for it?

Richard: Well, that would be "Dead Mans Curve", when I played Jan Berry in the "Jan and Dean" story. You know, Jan and Dean" were rock stars in the 50's, along with the Beach Boys, and I played Jan Berry, who got in to an automobile accident and lost his ability to speak, but he could still sing. I did that with Bruce Davidson.

Rob: So you had to rely more or less on body language, I take it?

Richard: Well he did learn how to speak a little bit, but it was like having to learn to communicate through a very screwed up brain. I did that movie with Bruce Davidson and it was probably one of the most challenging roles of my life. Specifically, because I was having to play a character that was still alive, a real person. It was true-life story.

Rob: In "TJ Hooker", you starred with William Shatner. Was he as egotistical as he was when he was supposed to be on "Star Trek", and what was he like to work with?

Richard: Actors like that, its not that they're egotistical, its just that they're very self possessed. They're very charismatic characters who basically, you know, have a very powerful presence, and I found him a gentleman. I found every time I've ever met William Shatner that he's always been a gentlemen. I think he's a deep thinker, I think he's an educated man, and intelligent.

Rob: Did he seem to be able to play like a real life cop?

Richard: Yes, he's very professional, never did anything, never pulled anything on the set. He did his job, and I think William Shatner has always been one of those guys who takes his craft seriously. He's got a strong sense of himself, but people who have been treated like a king all their lives, who have made millions of dollars and been famous all their lives get a certain kind of sense of entitlement. That can be interpreted as ego. I'm sure he has an ego and sense of self-importance, but he didn't seem to use it as a weapon.

Rob: It was the power behind his acting.

Richard: Yes, but I've worked with many people like that.

Rob: You also worked with Angelina Lansbury for "Murder She Wrote"?

Richard: Yeah I did a "Murder She Wrote" with her, I did Jack Palance, I played his son, "The Hatfields and the McCoys", which was a true-life story.

Rob: And "MacGuyver"�

Richard: Yeah I did "MacGuyver".

Rob: What was Richard Dean Anderson like?

Richard: I've know him for a lot of years, and I knew him before he got on "MacGuyver" He's just a very down to earth, everyday, guy next door. That's that way he was back then, I don't know how he is now.

Rob: What about "Baywatch", you were on that for a bit, weren't you?

Richard: I just guested on the show for one or two episodes.

Rob: What was David Hasslehoff like to work with?

Richard: Well I've known David, and David's just a nice guy, I mean most people would say he's not the most talented guy, but he's an extraordinarily nice guy, and an incredible businessman.

Rob: I also was major fan of the "Knight Rider" series.

Richard: Yeah and he's made his success go a long, long way and I respect him for that.

Rob: Ok, I don't want to start jumping in to "Battle Star Galactica" questions just yet, but here's one- what was your initial reaction to getting the role of Captain Apollo? Were you the original person cast as him or not?

Richard: I don't know if I was the original person, but I was one of the last people to meet on it. I didn't even want to meet on it. My agent set up a meeting between Glen Larson and me. I turned down the initial audition because I thought it would be another group of the movies for television, but it turned out to be something much more.

Rob: So you actually turned down the audition to begin with?

Richard: Yeah.

Rob: What convinced you to go back?

Richard: Well because my agent set up the meeting, and the producer wanted to meet me. So it was no longer an audition, I just met him for dinner. Basically, he showed me the script, showed me the artwork, told me what the story was about and by that time I thought, "Oh this sounds pretty compelling". I thought it was pretty original, I thought the story was incredible, and I finally decided to tell my agent I was willing to take a shot, and they worked on negotiating a contract. I started work the same day they hired me.

Rob: Did you ever anticipate how successful the series would become?

Richard: I had no idea, but I mean at the time, it was the biggest thing on television, the most expensive production ever done so it was a big deal.

Rob: it had a lot of new effects didn't it?

Richard: Yeah. I wasn't that surprised that it did well, but I honestly thought it was a tremendously difficult and challenging show to do, because there was a lot of hours, late night filming, seven days a week. No time to go home, I mean really for 18 months we filmed, a year and a half.

Rob: Do you ever feel your role was underestimated, or did you ever feel like leaving the "Battlestar Galactica" series?

Richard: Yeah I felt like leaving the show because initially I got involved in that show because I thought I was going to get the chance to do some good acting, and get some good material to work with, and after the first couple of episodes, I felt like my character was not given very much to do. I felt that they made Starbuck the essential character of the show and I really felt that my character was not getting an equal opportunity to, you know, do things on the show, and I felt that I was frustrated, and not as a star or an egotistical person. I was frustrated because I was very careful when I took that show. I told the producer that I wanted to act, I was looking for something�

Rob: Where you could get an experience in�

Richard: Yeah, someplace where I could really challenge myself to act. I recognized that this was an ensemble show and that there were many actors on the show. However, I just felt, after the first couple of episodes, that my character became kind of lost. He wasn't given much to really do that was challenging, but towards the end of the season after a number of meetings, they started to turn that around and I started to get some more challenging material to work with, so by the end of the season I was feeling much better.

Rob: What did you feel your character was getting more action?

Richard: Well it wasn't action; I was looking for a character that would get more thoughts, more stories, to do with character, character stories, where I would get things to do as an actor.

Rob: How did your character open up, do you reckon, I mean did he have a past, did they involve his past more, perhaps a darker one?

Richard: Well, they developed my relationship with my son and my relationship with the girlfriend. They also started to create opportunities for my character to be put in to circumstances like the show where I go down this planet, which we think is Earth, and I play a character that everybody thinks is somebody else, even though I look like myself. That was actually a forerunner to "Quantum Leap". That show was written by Donald Bellisario, and it was written with similar concepts- somebody steps in to a situation and you think you're you, but the other person sees you as somebody else.

Rob: Oh, I get ya'. So did you bring up some ideas to involve your character more? In what ways did you influence the series and your character, and what kind of changes did you ask for?

Richard: I just wanted situations where my character would have a chance to do more than just same things. I wanted to develop more relationships with my son, and they wanted to get rid of my son. I wanted to have more of a father and son relationship, I wanted more stuff between father, Adama, and myself. I wanted more situations where we could get in to deeper relationship issues with Anne Lockhart.

Rob: More realistic issues�

Richard: Yeah, I wanted to get in to more�

Rob: You didn't just want to make sure your character was just a perfect character�

Richard: My character was a little too, you know, yeah I mean I thought my character was very dedicated and very intelligent and very passionate, he was very intense, but you need to show the other side of a character. Every character has two sides and you need to show sometimes the more conflicted side, the more human side, the more vulnerable side, and you need to show more situations where you can get more in to the character as a human being.

Rob: Yeah, and how do you think Apollo's changed over the time, over a period of years, has he become darker?

Richard: No, I think he's kind of a heroic, kind of true blue character, I mean he's a guy that will risk his life, and fires others that risk their life, he takes his shots seriously. He's in some way responsible, in a sense he's kind of like a role model, Very few guys are as dedicated and as responsible as Captain Apollo was, you know?

Rob: Does it surprise you now that people come to you now and say your character has been an influence on my life, an inspiration?

Richard: Well yeah, you always are blown away by the fact that people remember you 25 years later, and you're amazed that people did pick you as a role model and looked up to you. I think that's one of the extraordinary things about movies and television, even more so for sci-fi. Sci-fi fans tend to be more dedicated, and more supportive of their stars.

Rob: What kind of science fiction stories inspired you? "Battlestar Galactica" was one of your first science fiction shows, wasn't it?

Richard: Well, that was the only science fiction movie I ever did, but I loved science fiction, I read it as a child. I read Isaac Asimov; I read a number of authors. You know I read "Dune", I read a number of obscure science fiction, very hardcore science fiction books as a child. I loved it, but I mean to tell you the truth they rarely ever do really, really hardcore, what you call profound science fiction. They're afraid of it, the networks are afraid of it.

Rob: You mean in terms of movies, and series?

Richard: Yeah.

Rob: Why do you think that is?

Richard: Because by network people, science fiction is sometimes looked at similarly to the Romans and the early Christians. They think something is wrong with you, if you really are too much in to science fiction- you're an oddball, you're a geek, or you're this, you're that. Science fiction also tends to be very provocative, philosophical and spiritual, and it looks at the sociological things. Just like "Star Trek", was way ahead of its time and it spawned many different concepts. It went into places that no other television series were courageous enough to go.

Rob: You can take a scenario and then expand it in to an extravagant scenario�

Richard: Yeah, science fiction, good science fiction is about life. It's about exploring the mysteries of life; it's about exploring the mysteries of the human being, of the human spirit. It's about the mysteries of science; it's about climbing out of the box and looking at the universe from a different perspective. Everybody, I hate to say it, but they hate to admit that they love science fiction, but they do.

Rob: Well I always loved Isaac Asimov, for the reasons you mentioned, like you take a robot, then you expand it and then you also then question yourself how real is it to a person, whether you can then treat it as human being or not, and whether you give it rights or not, and then it all becomes really superficial from then on, it just seems to split. I always thought that was an interesting concept. So do you think its right to compare other science fiction shows like "Star Trek" with "Battlestar Galactica", or do you think really they're just two different things?

Richard: You can't compare them because they're two different shows, but more than that "Star Trek" got to be on for 3 seasons, and then later on got to be on for many seasons. "Battlestar Galactica" only had one year, and if you look at first year shows, you'll notice that most first year shows have a lot of problems�

Rob: Yeah�

Richard: Many times, they don't work. They're not quite as god as the show will become by the second year or third year. "Battlestar" was remembered for the first year and we had the most difficult, challenging year in history because nobody had ever done an epic theatrical style series for television, ever before. There wasn't time to develop really good scripts the first year, because it was supposed to be a mini series. We had everything going against us, so the problem is that "Battlestar" had an incredible story, had some wonderful actors, and had incredible potential, but the first year was just a shakedown cruise. Had we had a second and third year, this show would have, I think, been a franchise on the same level as "Star Trek", "Star Wars", and every other show, but we didn't get that second year because the expense of putting a theatrical style series for TV was almost impossible. Also, producing a show like that took way too much time; we couldn't even get shows completed in time to air them next week.

Rob: Do you think in terms of budget, too much had gone on too early?

Richard: it was just a time then when science fiction didn't have the technology to create a show like that, of that epic size, and theatrical nature for television, weekly. You could do it as a movie, but not on a weekly basis, imagine doing "Star Wars" weekly. That's what they were trying to do with "Battlestar".

Rob: If your character Captain Apollo, and Han Solo from "Star Wars" had to fight, who do you think would win, because they're very similar characters?

Richard: (Laughs and then pauses)�The best thing about Han Solo is that you had this great pilot who had a great sense of humor. He was very much more like Starbuck than Apollo. You have to understand that Apollo flew in a little fighter, Han Solo flies in a big ship, so they're not even the same kind of pilots.

Rob: I always thought Harrison Ford brought a lot to that character. I think he's probably what made "Star Wars".

Richard: Well he made him very flawed, very human, very lovable, and he was kind of a laid back, reluctant hero. That's a lot of what Starbuck was, and I think fans love that. The reluctant hero is always a great role. Apollo was always having to talk Starbuck in to doing dangerous missions. Starbuck would never want to go, but then he would go and ultimately he would become a hero. Apollo helped Starbuck become a hero because I was always pushing him in to action. He'd rather be playing cards, and hanging out with the women.

Rob: So you mean your characters were like yin and yang, two sides to the equation�

Richard: Yes. One was more dedicated, and more really cared about doing the right thing, was very intense, and very passionate about his job and about everything he did. The other seemed to be more�

Rob: Action man?

Richard: Well no, he was more self-serving. He's kind of like the guy that wants to just spend his time gambling, drinking, and smoking cigars and getting laid!

Rob: (Laughs)

Richard: You know, which is what every young guy in America would have probably loved doing. You know most kids are not in to being serious about what they do at that age, and so it's always difficult to play the more straight-ahead character. Its always more fun to play the laid back guy.

Rob: What kind of age range group would you say was aimed at?

Richard: Well, the interesting thing was that "Battlestar" was a show about family. The program was aimed at the whole family, the teenagers, the twenties, the thirties, the forties, the fifties,- everybody could love that show, plus people who never even liked science fiction could love that show.

Rob: Yeah.

Richard: It crossed over those democratic lines because it was a show about family and people. It was in another universe, but it was about family and people, so people responded to the romance, the fun, the love stories these characters had with each other, and to the struggle to survive. People loved the spiritual and philosophical elements, and the idea that maybe there are humans out there somewhere in the universe. They loved the mythology, the Egyptian motif. They fell in love with all that, something that the most recent show missed. Everything that made the original show special was taken out.

Rob: So I mean what kind of influences do you think Battlestar Galactica had? You were saying it had Greek Mythology, Egyptian Mythology in to it�

Richard: Never has a show in one year, accomplished so much as "Battlestar" did. With all the problems we had, we created a show in one year that became memorable for all time. It's an icon; it's like the third classic behind "Star Wars" and "Star Trek".

Rob: While working on the original series, which co-stars did you get along with, and which ones did you not?

Richard: Well, I would loved to have dated Jane Seymour, but she was in a relationship at the time. I thought she was beautiful, and Anne Lockhart was beautiful too, but I Jane was a woman every man loves to hang out with. She was attractive, cute, personable, and she has that quality about her. We had some of the most beautiful, interesting women ever on television, ever. I think we had one of the most attractive casts, talented and attractive casts ever, in the history of television.

Rob: I'll agree with that, yeah�

Richard: I mean, my god, you had Laurette Spang, Anne Lockhart, Jane Seymour, Maren Jenson- there had never been those kind of beautiful women in one show before. Then you had incredible guest stars.

Rob: So how do you think directing "Battlestar Galactica" compares to acting in it?

Richard: I didn't direct "Battlestar".

Rob: Wasn't it the movie?

Richard: No, I directed "The Second Coming" trailer, a proof of concept presentation.

Rob: It was a trailer�

Richard: Yeah, a 4-minute trailer. I loved directing it. I love putting things together, and bringing talented gifted people together to make something that really touches the heart, stimulates the mind, and uplifts the spirit, I love creating something that impacts people powerfully and emotionally, you know? That's what artists love to do. Artists love to create something that is going to affect people in a powerful way. The joy of doing "Battlestar" was it was an amazing experience, because I always felt that "Battlestar" deserved a chance to come back and be successful. However, the technology did not support that show, and there wasn't enough preparation time to develop the kinds of scripts that would have really brought that show to a whole new level. If we had a second year, with Isaac Asimov as head storywriter, we would have done extraordinary things.

Rob: Were there plans for a second year?

Richard: Yeah there was, uh hum.

Rob: What happened?

Richard: The show was too big for its time. It took too long, too much time to produce those shows. It wasn't just the money, it was the fact they couldn't get the shows in time. The ratings were extremely high, "Buck Rogers" was almost in 39th place in the ratings, and it got picked up for 3 more years. So, that goes to show you- we were in the top 20.

Rob: So what was it like to put the costume on again? It was quite an extravagant costume wasn't it?

Richard: Well we had to borrow costumes. We didn't have a costume budget�

Rob: Not even the original ones�

Richard: I had to use my own credit card, and I had to use the help of many, many friends all over the country to put that trailer together. We had fans drive in from all over the country with costumes they made that were actually quite well made, and they let us use those.

Rob: You had about 150 � 200 people working on it, right?

Richard: About 100 people, extras, crew. We had an incredible turnout, of not only fans to help us, but we had production people, we had cinematographers, e had sound people, we had people from all over the industry who got in the industry because of "Battlestar" all those years ago. When they found out we were doing it, they were all willing to help us free.

Rob: That's good�

Richard: Yeah, it was one of those miracles, an event where people came together out of a passion or love for "Battlestar" and were willing to do anything to help bring back the show. I've never seen anything like it. Everyone thought it was impossible, and that we could never do it, shooting the kind of story I wanted to do. I wanted to update the show, to bring it 25 years in to the future. with the original cast, plus a new generation of our children, and to do a trailer like that would have cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Everybody laughed in my face. We showed them, however, that when people pull together, anything is possible, especially when we had dedicated people helping us.

Rob: It got a good rating, actually.

Richard: It got incredible reviews, I've never seen such positive reviews, universally, across the board, for a trailer like that. I played it six months ago, and we got standing ovations. Its one of the most amazing experiences I've ever had.

Rob: What is the trailer then, how long is it?

Richard: 4 minutes.

Rob: What do you think is the most inspiring part of that trailer?

Richard: It was that we combined the old with the new. We brought back the show people remembered, and we didn't change it so much that you didn't recognize it.

Rob: You didn't modernize it too much�

Richard: We modernized it, but we kept the same style and feeling of it intact, and he energy, the spirit, the relationships, it was all "Battlestar". We brought back the "Battlestar" everyone remembered but we updated it without losing the original heart and spirit of the show, we were able to build a bridge from the past to the future.

Rob: You had the help of Sophie La Porte�

Richard: Sophie La Porte, along with many other people, came in to work with us, help us put everything together.

Rob: Ok, so how have your views on science fiction changed over the years? What do you think of science fiction today in terms of movies and series, and how do you think it's changed?

Richard: Well, there are a few really incredible things. When you look at "Lord of the Rings", you can see that it's just extraordinary. That was an extraordinary story and it was extremely well directed and produced. The first "Matrix" was incredible.

Rob: Yeah I liked "The Matrix"�

Richard: The first couple of "Terminators" were incredible, "Alien 1 and 2" were extraordinary.

Rob: What about "Predator"?

Richard: Yeah.

Rob: I mean there's been some pretty wonderful science fiction, but thankfully there's people out there who understand science fiction and don't just use it as a veneer to basically do some kind of cheesy, superficial, monster driven, movie and call it science fiction. I mean, great science fiction is usually very provocative and mind expanding.

Rob: What did you think of John Travolta's science fiction," Battlefield Earth"?

Richard: Oh, I didn't think that was very good. Visually, there were some interesting concepts, but I thought it was poorly written and directed. I was very disappointed by that.

Rob: The acting seemed a bit off key now and again, didn't it?

Richard: Everything starts with a script, and I thought the script was horrible.

Rob: You've also written the "Battlestar Galactica" books. How would you say the stories have evolved? You've modernized the story slightly, and you've increased the time scale in these books.

Richard: Well, I've brought them all 25 years in to the future. I've brought back all the original characters, and I've slightly evolved the relationships. They're obviously all the same people, but they've grown. In every book that I do I put characters in to situations where their lives change because of what happens. I believe that characters should not be frozen in time, They should evolve and grow. They get deeper, they get more complex, they get more real and every character has to grow. Even the Starbuck character is growing, because he's forced to assume more responsibility. He's still the lover and laid back guy that he was, but he has to start thinking about more serious things. After 25 years he's got deeper emotions and feelings, and deeper thoughts, and is having to assume a certain level of responsibility. He's still the guy that we fell in love with 25 years ago, as a fan, so the key is how to develop and evolve characters without losing the spirit, the heart and the tone.

Rob: Do you have a character which you've created which is now one day going to replace him?

Richard: No, there wont be anyone replacing these characters because these characters live hundreds of years. As you remember, Adama was over 175 years old. So we do have the children. I'm evolving all the kids, Dalton and Sedara. Now there's a new character coming in, Rayus. There's a whole group of young fighter plots, that we're developing their stories.

Rob: What about the technology in "Battlestar Galactica"- how do you think that's changed?

Richard: Well, I've evolved the technology. I've upgraded the ships. I've found ways to bring the show to a more realistic place. They wouldn't be doing some of the things they're doing unless the technology was sufficient to sustain it. You have to give explanations for that; you have to lay the groundwork to make what they're doing plausible. We upgraded the technology, we've explained it. We've also explained what the Cylons are. We've gone in to some of the earlier threads, theatrical threads that were woven in to the early stories, and we've tied them together. We've evolved them so that we've brought the past forward. We've kind of brought explanations as to why things were the way they were, we've helped to answer a lot of questions that were left unanswered with the series.

Rob: So have you involved new concepts like time travel?

Richard: We haven't really gone in to time travel, that's one thing we haven't done. I mean every show goes in to time travel; we haven't really focused on time travel.

Rob: You don't want to get in to that loop, do you?

Richard: No, not at the moment. I wanted to explore something similar to what Ron Moore said he was going to do in the new series, which was to get more in to the A story. This is the story line about the journey to find the thirteenth tribe, and to discover who the thirteenth tribe was, to get more an understanding of who the Cylons are. It's about surviving in space, trying to find a new sanctuary, a new homeland, and trying to find a way to save as many people as possible from dying. I've gotten in to what I call the real dramatic A story and I've let the B stories, the relationship stories come out of the A stories, and that means the A story is forcing people to do things they've never done before.

Rob: What kind of science fiction stories do you think have influenced your work, I mean have you taken things like Space 2001, and used the idea of the monolith?

Richard: No, I don't, it not about influencing my work at all. I've watched thousands of movies, but I think subconsciously we probably learn from everything we do, everything we see, everything we read. Ultimately, when I write, I write from my heart, my gut, my soul. I don't think about topping anything, I just write from�I look at it like an actor. if this happened, if that happened, if these characters were in these situations, if this had happened over a course of time, where would they be. How would they have grown, what would have happened to these people, and I look at it in the most honest pragmatic way possible. I try to explore it as realistically as possible without imposing some off the wall concept upon it; I try to really come from a place of honest exploration. I'm always creating situations where the characters are forced to grow through life and death, decisions, challenges, and circumstances.

Rob: Which is real life you know�

Richard: Yeah, that's what creates drama, and that's how we grow. I also wanted to create more than just characters that were superficial. I wanted to take these characters we barely got to know and expose their underbelly, show their flaws, their imperfections, and learn more of who they are.

Rob: It's their imperfections that make them human.

Richard: I'm always about getting in to the more conflicted areas, but you do have to care about these people. I think "Battlestar" was about family, so the one thing that so important is that no matter how much these characters fight or disagree with one another, they love each other, and they pull together to survive. You care about them as a family, you know, because "Battlestar" was about family, about extended family.

Rob: That's good, that's interesting�

Richard: Its what makes every�I hate to say it�the thing missing in this world, and what people most respond to, even the shows that do the best on TV, are all family shows. That's because all of us are searching for a family. You may have a family, but the truth is most of us don't have a family that we really feel comfortable with, so we kind of seek out a extended family or friends that become our family. We're all seeking family, that sense of togetherness, that sense of having a group of people you really connect to. That's why "Friends" did so well on TV. It's because they were a family.

Rob: That's true, that's true.

Richard: It's a great example of a family of friends, who really loved each other, and support each other. They fight and bicker, and struggle, but they dig each other, or they wouldn't hang out together, and we love that!

Rob: You've voiced for computer games as well, right?

Richard: Yeah.

Rob: The "Battlestar Galactica" game�you're voicing a character called Paulus, rather than Apollo.

Richard: Yeah.

Rob: Why is that?

Richard: Because Apollo didn't exist 40 years earlier!

Rob: Oh right, ok.

Richard: I play a captain of Blue Squadron, 40 years earlier, even before Apollo is born. Adama and Cain are my rookie pilots.

Rob: So how did you find the voice acting? I know you've done it before.

Richard: I've been doing voice overs for the last four years and I love it. Voiceover acting to me is the same thing as acting for movie, television and screen. It doesn't matter; it's the same thing.

Rob: Don't you also host a weekly relationship radio show?

Richard: Once upon a time I did, but I do teach. I teach seminars as a hobby. I do communication seminars, seminars, and self discovery seminars. I do seminars to help empower people inside, to help them live a more successful and fulfilling life. Basically, I share everything I have learned through my own life, everything I had to learn the hard way.

Rob: Would you consider doing more computer games, or animation?

Richard: Yeah, I'm actually working on a computer game now, "The Great War of Magellan".

Rob: You've directed "The Great War of Magellan."

Richard: "The Great War of Magellan", it s a new series, a sci-fi series, which I've filmed and been putting together for the past two and a half years. I'm just finishing the trailers. I'm also writing the novels.

Rob: You act in it as Akillian, right?

Richard: Yeah, I act in them, direct, write, produce, I do everything.

Rob: Your son, Paul Hatch, is also in there?

Richard: Yes.

Rob: As well as Stephen Strattos, and Brad Dourif?

Richard: There's basically Brad Dourif, Richard Lynch, Margery Marrowhand, Jason Carter from "Babylon 5", and whole bunch of other characters.

Rob: What was it like to receive the Golden Globe award for your work in "Battlestar Galactica"- did you expect that?

Richard: No, I didn't expect that. I didn't think I was doing my best acting on "Battlestar Galactica". Its always nice to be nominated. I felt my best work that I'd ever done was "Dead Mans Curve". I would say that I've done incredible scenes in a lot of different movie projects, but I've never felt completely happy with any total project that I've done. I'd feel like I'd done some incredible work and scenes, but it takes the right movie, the right part, the right material to really do your best work. Sometimes, very obscure work can be the best work, such as doing the "Glass Menagerie" on stage, playing Tom. I did some of the best work I've ever done.

Rob: So you don't think Apollo really reflected you as a person?

Richard: He reflected some of the elements and parts of myself, but in terms of showing off my best acting work, no. I felt I'd done much better acting in other projects.

Rob: Would you ever like to see an anime version of "Battlestar Galactica"?

Richard: Yes, after watching the game animation, I thought that the game producers really, really understood what "Battlestar" is all about. I felt that the animated sequences were wonderful, and I thought "God I wish they would do an animated feature of this". I honestly would love to see them do it 40 years later with the original cast as animated people, because I think the fans would really love to see the original cast back.

Rob: Yeah�

Richard: The guy that produced it and wrote it, really understood "Battlestar", much more than I think, the team that did the new "Battlestar" series. They didn't seem to understand what "Battlestar" was about at all.

Rob: So what do you think of the new series of "Battlestar Galactica"?

Richard: Well like I say, it wasn't "Battlestar", it was a different show.

Rob: Were you ever up for a cameo role in it or not?

Richard: Yeah, we turned it down. Nobody wanted to do it. I didn't want to do it. I didn't want to be a part of a show that had nothing to do with what the original "Battlestar" was all about. Plus, I would never do a cameo role in any movie. I'd never do a cameo role; a cameo role is an insult to everybody. It's after they decided to not listen to all the fans, after they decided to say "Screw you, we're going to do what we want", and basically proceed to take away everything that made "Battlestar" unique and special, and took it out of the show.

Rob: What did they do exactly? I think there's a character called Captain Lee Apollo Adama in it?

Richard: None of the characters were remotely similar to the original, none of the characters were enduring, or characters that you cared about. None of the characters were compelling as far as I was concerned. I didn't find one character that I really cared about- there was no camaraderie, no sense of family, no sense of relationship where you felt any of the characters really liked each other.

Rob: So, you felt it was artificial�

Richard: It was artificial, and there was no romance, just a bunch of sex, but no romance! There was no wonderful romance any more. There was no mythology, they took out the Egyptian thing, it looked like it took place on Earth, it seemed like it took place�the dressing�the costumes looked like 1970's. I mean the suits and the ties, and all the sets that they built looked like Earth in the 1970's. I didn't understand it. I thought that there were some interesting concepts, and some very talented actors in it. I thought there were some interesting moments here and there, but overall I thought it was very slow paced. None of the characters really jumped off the screen, or really compelled you to care about them.

Rob: It lost its appeal; it lost its original appeal�

Richard: It didn't have any of the sense of wonder, the sense of awe, the sense of, I don't know�

Rob: The sense of relationship�

Richard: The sense of family�

Rob: Because even in "Star Trek", you had a family, you had like McCoy, you had Spock�

Richard: That's what I'm saying. There is no sense of camaraderie between any of these characters. That's what the original "Battlestar" had. You know, these guys, they fought with each other but they loved each other, and we thought that they were part of an extended family. We rooted for them, here it was a bunch of screwed up characters who were self serving, conflicted, had all these issues and problems and not one of them did you care about!

Rob: That's true�

Richard: Well, I agree with getting in to darker, more conflicted areas, but you have to also show the humanity of these people so that you care to go in to those deep dark places. There was no sense of fun in this show. There was no sense of humor between any of the characters! I thought that there were some interesting ideas in there, but overall, I wonder- why did they call it "Battlestar"? It could have been�

Rob: It could have been something else�

Richard: It could have been "Space: Above and Beyond 2"�

Rob: Yeah, I know what you're getting at�

Richard: They made the Cylons in to more of Terminator style concept. Everything that was original about the Cylons, they threw away. The Cylons were NOT Terminator. I just felt that everything they did, every decision they made, took away everything that was special about the original show. Now had they called it something else, a spin off of the "Battlestar" universe, or even another name, I think that maybe you might go, ok there's some interesting ideas here, but right now it needs some work, and maybe with some episodes, the characters will become more real and substantial, and I can get involved with them. But the trouble is that when you're watching it and it says "Battlestar Galactica", you keep comparing it to the original. You keep saying "My god, what did they do!?!" It's as if whoever did this story had no respect or understanding of the original source material. I don't even know why it says based on Glen Larson's story, because it's not even remotely close! It's so different in tone, style and quality that I swear to go to me; it's a different show.

Rob: Its something else�

Richard: It's something else, yeah�

Rob: Can I ask, you know the Cylons you were mentioning, in the original you were talking about family and relationships. I mean I know that, you were posed as the good guys, and the Cylons were the bad guys, but what I'm saying is, did you ever see the Cylons side of the story, their kind of relationships with each other or not?

Richard: Put it this way- in the first season, no, but in the books I've begun to explore a lot of that and will continue to explore that, even in this sixth book that I'm doing. Because the Cylons to me are, an entire race evolving down their own pathway, and it's not about good or bad. They look at the world differently because of how they have been constructed. Your enemy or protagonists have to be as �real', or as �human' or as possible. I think the problem with the new show as well; the Cylons in the new show become so human, they seem emotional, they like sex, what in the world are they out to kill humans for? I don't get it. I think it's an interesting concept to have a Cylon that is genetically structured to be human in order to put a Cylon plant, but you still have to maintain what makes the Cylons so different from the humans and why they want to terminate us. I think a lot of that gets lost. You know, it becomes interesting on a level, but there's no threat, you don't feel any terrifying fear from the Cylons. They really missed creating that feeling.

Rob: Yeah, because they seemed so human�

Richard: I thought the most interesting character on the show is this one Cylon. She and Baltar are two of the most interesting characters on the show.

Rob: Can I ask have you ever done anything like horror? I know you've been in a movie called "Unseen Evil"?

Richard: No, I haven't really done much horror�

Rob: You've never been keen on horror or not fancy it�

Richard: No, no, it not about that. I just haven't been offered a really good role that I would really like to do.

Rob: You played a doctor in "Unseen Evil", didn't you?

Richard: Yeah, but that was something that I did for�like a lot of things we have to pay the bills. Sometimes you do things to pay the bills. Certainly the script wasn't terrible, and the director was a talented director and writer, but it wasn't something that I would normally have done under those circumstances.

Rob: I'm just asking because it's a different role, a different set of circumstances isn't it.

Richard: A characters a character. Fortunately, wherever there's a character that someone has written and real that I can play, I like to play them.

Rob: What was "The Ghost" like- the 2000 movie, with Michael Madsen, and Chun Li, and Julie Lee? You also played with Brad Dourif. What's he like as an actor?

Richard: Well, Brad's in my "Second Coming" trailer. I really like Brad. He's a nice guy, he's down to earth, he loves the work.

Rob: Are you in contact with Brad?

Richard: Yeah. He loves the work. Wherever there's a good role to play, that's where he wants to go, he's not got a big ego like a lot of other actors do.

Rob: What was Michael Madsen like?

Richard: Madsen keeps to himself. He's kind of introspective. He can be nice, but he's more cool and reserved, kind of living in his own little world. He shows up, does his work and leaves.

Rob: Yeah, and what did you think of your role in the movie "The Ghost"?

Richard: Oh, it was fun; I actually enjoyed playing that part.

Rob: Any memorable moments from any of the movies or series you've played in that you'd like to share?

Richard: Well In "Dead Mans Curve", I loved the scene where expresses what music means to him at the end of the movie, where he tries to express in his own words why �

Rob: I'm guessing you liked that because you had a taste for music from the age of 8�

Richard: I've been a singer, and a songwriter; I've played guitar, piano, all my life, and my son is a really talented singer and songwriter.

Rob: have you ever had a chance to put your music in to one of the movies or series?

Richard: No, but I did play music, my own music on a soap opera, "All My Children", that I was on for 3 years. I used to sing on there all the time.

Rob: Regarding "The Great War of Magellan"- it's one of your latest projects, it's the last thing you've done, so it's a science fiction thriller or movie, what's its about?

Richard: Its science fiction fantasy. It takes place in the Magellanic Cloud. It explores the concept of a root race of human beings who have evolved in that galaxy, have gone through seven evolutions of destruction and have just about destroyed themselves. The movie basically opens up with the first manned mission to the moon of Titan. They discover an ancient star ship is buried in the ground there, and inside they find a holograph of this ancient star mariner named Akillian, who basically tells them about the Magellanic Cloud, about the evolution of human beings there, and the relationship between their race and the human beings on earth. It begins to take us in to this epic story about what took place on the Magellanic Cloud, where human beings almost destroyed themselves. Akillian, who is tens of thousands of years old and is still living, takes us on this journey through this apocalyptic universe. He is searching for his own sense of identity, searching for redemption, and searching for an understanding as to why the human race is on the brink of destruction. He's searching for, in a sense, his ancient roots. As the story continues, this knowledge helps to unveil some of the mysteries surrounding the questions of why human beings have been destroying themselves for so many evolutions, and the path that back to sanity, the way to move beyond war and self destruction.

Rob: It's a bit like a "Superman thing", the essence of self discovery�

Richard: Its self discovery, it's a little bit like "Lord of the Rings" in space, because he discovers many beings born like himself, who have been cast out of society because they were born different, and because they have a different way of looking at the world. All these various characters, in a sense, are genetic evolution that nature has brought fourth in order to help the race survive this period of self destruction, and move on from war and destruction,. However, like so many people born different in this world, like some of the greatest scientists, doctors, and people who bought new technologies, they were cast out. They were looked down upon. They were put up on crosses, they were burned at the stake. We have not been too kind to people who are born a little different to us, and yet those people who are born different are very often the ones who bring in the incredible new ideas, concepts and technologies that evolve the human race.

Rob: So what kind of fantasy is this, I mean how did these human beings destroy each other, is it through technology or magic?

Richard: No, its technology.

Rob: So, can I ask, is there any magic involved?

Richard: Well, it's not magic in the sense of magic. Magic is not magic when you understand physics on a higher level, just like in "The Matrix". if you can think of the fact that we only use 2% or 3% of our brain, it shows you that when we learn how to use the mind fully, we may be able to realize that we can move through time and space, move objects. God knows what we might be able to do with the mind. The point is, magic is just a simplification of a much more profound and actually pragmatic process that we don't quite understand yet on a scientific level. I think what happens in this universe is that your realize that genetically speaking, our DNA contains the history of the human race within it. If we could tap in to our DNA, we could trace back to the first humans that were ever created. They can actually do that today; they can trace everybody back genetically. The truth is, what these people find out is that everything that has been lost over millions of years since the ancient root race came and went. The ancient root race of Magellans actually evolved beyond war and self destruction. What happens, however, is that he next evolution of human beings begins to fall in to entropy, into war and destruction. Slowly, evolution after evolution, human beings start to fall lower and lower. They forgot the old ways; they forgot what the ancients knew. But these new beings are being born with a recessive gene that contains the ancient wisdom and knowledge that the ancient Magellans had, that got lost over millions of years. That information's being brought back forward, as that recessive gene becomes a dominant gene. These beings are being born with a new wisdom, a new understanding, a new way of looking at life, and new abilities. They don't quite know how to work with them, or use them, and they are all basically having to struggle. I don't know if you ever read the book "Crying of the Cave Men"?

Rob: No�

Richard: Well the woman in that is born smarter, and her people don't know how to deal with her because she's not like them. When people like this are born different, their societies and cultures cast them out. They become wandering nomads, out in the wastelands of space. Basically through this journey, Akillian begins to find many of these beings, and they're all searching for the same thing. They've all had to walk the dark path, they've all suffered, they've been raped, killed, murdered, imprisoned, and those that survive have something unique and powerful to give back to the world. That's what the story is all about- their discovery process, as they learn about what these gifts are and what they have to bring to the world. It's about survival; it's about unlocking the mysteries of life, the mysteries of space, the mysteries of the universe, and uncovering the ancient understandings that have gotten lost over millions of years. It's a very profound show.

Rob: You've covered a lot of concepts there, and you've also involved a lot of cultural ideas. Some people believe that human beings used to have a telepathic sense, but probably due to the way society has influenced us and the way we get taught, that belief and way of controlling your brain has been lost.

Richard: Well that's what the show basically says, that we've lost a lot and that we've forgotten, and these beings, in a sense, are reawakening those ancient abilities that we all used to have, that lies dormant within all of us.

Rob: Do these humans look like human, or are they slightly different?

Richard: No they look like humans. However, in "The War of Magellan", I'm making the eye colors really unique. They're bright green, they're radiant colors, They're human, but they look different enough that they're thought to be strange and a little weird by their own families and cultures. That's why they're cast out.

Rob: Have you ever looked at a cartoon from the 1980's called "Ulysses 31"?

Richard: No�

Rob: That was similar. It was a very good cartoon, it was a Japanese Anime French cartoon, and it basically involved a lot of Greek mythology in it.

Richard: Yeah, there's mythology in this because it really explores a lot of the ancient wisdom and ancient knowledge. Again, you know, we all have our own philosophies, but I believe in exploring all those philosophies and letting people make up their own mind about stuff.

Rob: Ok, what does your son do on the actual show?

Richard: He's a musician, actor, writer.

Rob: What does he think of the series so far?

Richard: He loves the story, I think any fan who loves�you see I love combining great characters, great story, with great action, I like action that comes out of story and character. So, this is about human beings, like I say its about exploring all the mysteries that we finds so intriguing, that's what science fiction does best. I am adding some fantasy elements to it. I believe that like "Lord of the Rings", there's something in fantasy that touches our deepest subconscious being. That's why people love fantasy. It's metaphorical, and it touches very deep profound areas of our mind and our soul, our spirit. I love bringing fantasy to sci-fi, I think its part of sci-fi. That's why I love "Lord of the Rings" so much. I just think they delve in to some of the kinds of areas of mystery that we all in a sense are curious about. More than that, I just think it's a powerful way to move in to the depths of our being, and to explore who we are as human beings on a more profound deeper level, and to do it in a very entertaining way.

Rob: Do you have any plans to make sequels?

Richard: No it will all be a TV series�

Rob: Where do you want to go with that,? Will it be a prequel?

Richard: I'm not sure yet. I'm getting ready to make a book deal, and I'm going to do a CD ROM game. I have a group that wants to do that.

Rob: Would the same actors do the voice work for that?

Richard: Yes.

Rob: That's good.

Richard: I want to create a series, like I say, that is a theatrical style series for television, but I want to find a way to do it where I can do a much more provocative, much more exciting show where I can reach the audience more directly. I want to find alternative ways to get the audience. Networks and syndications, many times, don't have the patience to stay with a show long enough to find their audience. I would rather find a way to get directly to the audience, whether through direct to DVD, series on DVD, through pay per view, through Blockbuster, through, to market a series that actually is really high quality where you can reach the fans and they don't have to worry about the commercials. They get a much higher quality product for less money. I think people are getting more and more fed up with having to wait for 15 minutes worth of commercials in every episode of a show. They don't want to do it any more.

Rob: Would you ever consider filming in Europe or other countries?

Richard: I'm looking at Australia, I'm looking at Hawaii, looking at possibly Canada, but it will all depend on where I can make the best deal.

Rob: Thank you, Richard! Would you consider doing a small promotional message for my website, introducing you, and involving the "Insomniac Mania. Com"?

Richard: What's the name?

Rob: Insomniac Mania�

Richard: Insomniac?


Richard: Insomniac��ok

Rob: Ok, anytime�.

Richard: Hello everybody, this is Richard Hatch, I played Captain Apollo in "Battlestar Galactica" and you are listening to Insomniac Mania. Com.

Rob: Thanks Richard. Do you have any other upcoming projects?

Richard: Yeah, the sixth "Battlestar Galactica" novel is coming out next year, called "Destiny", and you will be getting "Great War of Magellan" novels coming out next year. I'm going to be doing that whole story, and you will begin to see more and more about the "Great War of Magellan". We're putting a lot of energy in to putting this all together! Go over to Great War of to keep up on all the new information and release dates, and what's going to be happening with this new show. I also did a new movie, I'm starring in it with Jake Busey, Gary Busey's son, called "The Rainmakers", that will be out this year in the movie theatres.

Rob: What's that about?

Richard: It's like an updated "Billy Jack". Its set in the 1960's. I play a peace activist who runs this ranch and takes care of a bunch of kids, and the bad guys in town, including this motorcycle gang, want to take the property away because it has some things on it that would be worth a lot of money. So they try to get us to move, but they can't do that, s they start harassing us, they start killing kids, and then they basically attack us, and my brother comes home from the war. He's played by Billy Burk, two time world champion karate expert, and he also was in Special Forces for almost 10 years, and he plays a lead along with Jake Busey. So the story evolves around how we survive, and basically it deals with the philosophies of the peace activist, the pacifist, and the one who is more militant. You learn through this piece that sometimes to preserve peace you have to go to war, and so in this case my brother is the opposite of me, but each of us have to develop and respect a point of love for the others point of view by the end of the movie.

Rob: "The Great War of Magellan" has been described as a mix of "Braveheart", "Mad Max", "Matrix", and "X Files" together. Would you agree with that?

Richard: Well its more like "Lord of the Rings" meets "Matrix" meets "Mad Max", but it's a totally different story. It's got a sensibility like that, its intelligent science fiction, its intelligent action, and it explores very profound concepts, Spiritual, philosophical and kind of intricate.

Rob: What about a comic book?

Richard: I have a company that's talking about a comic book as well, absolutely.

Rob: Well Richard, if you're in contact with Brad Dourif, I'd really like to speak to him�

Richard: Ok.

Rob: If you could probably mention an interview with him at a later date.

Richard: If he's in town, he's not filming something, I'll see if he's interested. I'll get a message to him and see what he has to say; it depends on where he is.

Rob: I'll try and obviously make it a detailed interview like this one is. I'll try my best. Is there anything you'd like to add?

Richard: I think through all of this, I've learned one thing- that the whole alchemy, the whole artistry of life, is basically one day in your life you come to the realization that you have to stop running and try to fit in to the world. It's when you realize that we're not here to fit in to the world. but maybe to show the world a better way of doing�anything. That means connecting to our talents, our abilities, our creative vision, and having the courage to bring new ideas in to the world, and develop them, and show that's there better ways of doing everything, and that we're all here to bring these gifts and talents in to the world. Sometimes that means having the courage to be willing, like Gene Roddenberry says, to go where no man or woman has gone before. You have to have the courage to step out of the box, and to follow your dreams, regardless of what anybody says around you because I tell you, you're never bee happy in life trying to live your life for others. You have to love the life that you in your heart want to live, and only then can you ever, ever inspire other people.

Rob: Kind of like a Pandora's Box kind of thing�

Richard: Everybody wants you to fit in to their world, everybody wants you to be want they want you to be, and they get terrified when you go after something�even if you want to be an actor or artist they get terrified. The truth of it is, everything that I know in this world that is incredible happens against everybody's wishes. Everybody was trying to put it down and stop it. Every new technology got spat on or laughed at. When I did "The Second Coming" trailer, everybody was laughing at me, like who the hell do you think you are, you cant do this, its impossible, you don't have the money, blah blah! The we did it, we got all these standing ovations, and all these people got really pissy at us, because they couldn't believe we actually went out and did it. So the people who put us down are the ones who got angry at us when we actually accomplished it. The truth is, the greatest joy I ever had in my life was having the courage to jump in and really commit to something I really wanted to do in my heart of hearts, for the right reasons. I had a passion and a love for the show, and I really wanted to show the studios how they could bring back "Battlestar" and build a bridge from the past to the future, without losing the original heart, soul and spirit of the show. We demonstrated that it's possible, but ultimately the Sci Fi channel didn't want to listen to anybody, they just did their own thing regardless.

Rob: They don't take anything on, Richard, they don't even play "Star Trek" any more. They have some ok things, but they never take on the visions�

Richard: I don't understand that network, and I don't understand Bonnie Hammer, but I think she's just a woman who's not a particular sci-fi person.

Rob: Well, you know, you've inspired me, and you've caused me to gain attention and call you up, and thank you for your time.

Richard: Oh, you're welcome, and thank you for taking the time to do the interview.

Rob: That's alright man. I'll keep in touch by e-mail.

Richard: Take care of yourself.